Comment from joat
Time: December 3, 2007, 6:43 am

Always willing to oblige….

Eyes forward buster! Don’t even think about looking over there!

Comment from Jake Brodsky
Time: December 3, 2007, 8:20 am

You’ve been reading that “evil” SCADA list again, haven’t you?

In fairness, Dale, the reactions you’re reading there are mild compared to the hazing due to the insular mindsets of those who work on a “plant.”

Comment from Ron Southworth
Time: December 3, 2007, 4:40 pm

Some good will come from it Dale it may just be a good example to justify the need to generate some training requirements.

Or an excuse to share a beer and some pretzels! I’ll buy the first round and make certain there is no tar and feathers! Like I said in the other post area at lest you keep an open mind to other perspectives!

Comment from Bryan L Singer
Time: December 4, 2007, 5:37 pm

You know.. I’ve been watching the thread with inflamed passions on all sides. Having lived both ends of this spectrum, and someone that can speak equally well in over 25 programming languages, countless network protocols, and enterprise architecture and design as well as most industrial applications and control system types including SCADA, DCS, PLC’s in discrete, batch, hybrid modes in about 10 different industry sectors…. It isn’t that damn difficult… most of the people that want to make it sound like they are “so unique” with “such big challenges” are just flat wrong. We aren’t launching the space shuttle here.. But, I HAVE talked to people about failure mode analysis on PLC’s controlling cooling on the launch tower So, I guess perhaps I actually did help launch the space shuttle…. lol…

Comment from Jake Brodsky
Time: December 4, 2007, 7:51 pm

There isn’t anything difficult about it Bryan. The hard part is acquiring all the various backgrounds that you need to make a reasonable decision. This is very much a multidisciplinary field in which the answers won’t come from any one source, methodology, product, or philosophy.

We have to have the humility to learn from our mistakes. I don’t think anyone is truly “one of the crowd” until they have lived with the decisions they made. That is truly what separates those who know from the rest of the pack.

You and Dale have seen what it’s like. Describing something like this is like those proverbial blind men describing an elephant by whatever they can feel from where they happen to be standing. I don’t profess to be one who knows. I’ve merely stood near the elephant and tried to find my way around.

I guess that’s as close as anyone can be to “getting it.” When I figure out what the elephant looks like, It will probably be very old and close to death.

Comment from Nathan Boeger
Time: December 14, 2007, 11:09 pm

Dale, you’re evil – that one sentence comment is starting it all over again…and I think you knew it would!